June 16, 2020

A World Without Police

Maria and Julio talk about police and prison abolition with Charlene Carruthers, author and founding member of Black Youth Project 100, and Ejeris Dixon, director of Vision Change Win. They imagine a world without police, dive into community safety, and get real about what calls for defunding the police mean.

Ejeris Dixon talks about the police abolition movement, and why for many communities of color and marginalized communities, this is not a new concept. She digs deep into the history of policing.

“While a lot of people may be waking up to this idea, for black communities in particular, and queer communities, trans communities, poor folks—we have not been people that the police are interested in keeping safer,” said Ejeris Dixon. “The origin of policing has been about protecting white property, white capital, white money.” 

Charlene Carruthers talked about the presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden, and his record on immigration. She illustrates how the current immigration system connects all the way back to the enslavement of African and Indigenous people. 

“The separation of families was practiced on, and perfected on enslaved Africans and Indigenous people. These systems are in the DNA of this country,” said Charlene Carruthers. “So you can’t look at the dismantling of the immigration system, which criminalizes people, at its core without also having a clear understanding of anti-Blackness and the ongoing attempt to fully eradicate Indigenous people from this land.” 

This episode was produced by Nour Saudi. 


ITT Staff Picks:

  • Mariame Kaba, an organizer whose work focuses on dismantling the prison industrial complex writes, “Yes, we mean literally abolish the police,” in this op-ed for The New York Times.
  • "These calls to defund and disband police have roots in decades of prison abolitionist organizing, which aims to end incarceration and policing in favor of a society grounded in collective care and social provision," writes Amna A. Akbar for The New York Review of Books.
  • Kayla Reed and Ash-Lee Woodward Henderson write about the demands of The Movement for Black Lives in this piece for Essence.

Photo Credit: (AP Photo/Ragan Clark)


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